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]]> By: Enting http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-14408 Enting Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:16:30 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-14408 the arguments and evidences are good and convincing. both tom and doug presented and defended their positions regarding the 607/587 issue of the fall of jerusalem. i'm not one of the jw, but based on my inquiries in the net and other sources, i favored their reasoning.i love history, in fact i graduated bachelor in arts major in history. some of the dates in history books are not coincide with the bible.in history books, humans roamed the earth more than 10,000 yrs before, but the bible told us that from adam, humans are only few thousand of yrs. so, which do i believe...where of course from the bible source. why? because the "basis" of secular chronicler were broken fragments of tablets they found and carbon dating, which are not accurately tell the dates, wherein bible chronology is clear and continuous. the arguments and evidences are good and convincing. both tom and doug presented and defended their positions regarding the 607/587 issue of the fall of jerusalem. i’m not one of the jw, but based on my inquiries in the net and other sources, i favored their reasoning.i love history, in fact i graduated bachelor in arts major in history. some of the dates in history books are not coincide with the bible.in history books, humans roamed the earth more than 10,000 yrs before, but the bible told us that from adam, humans are only few thousand of yrs. so, which do i believe…where of course from the bible source. why? because the “basis” of secular chronicler were broken fragments of tablets they found and carbon dating, which are not accurately tell the dates, wherein bible chronology is clear and continuous.

]]> By: Kevin http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-1777 Kevin Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:24:19 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-1777 Lets say that everyone here is correct, and that we should add some months adding up to 1 or 2 or 3 years, or if we should add 4 or 5 because nebopolassar didnt want to reign with anyone at the same time (not even if that someone reigned over another kingdom), or if we should add nebukadnesars years of illnes (Even though the insight says those years are included in the 43 years), or if we should add 10 years because nabonid went on a trip, or add 15 years because nebonid started building a temple in his seccond year (But ofcorse the building of that temple could take nabonid 15 years, so we dont have to adjust anything). Then what years do we get? here they are: 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 594, 596, 597 and 602.... It never adds up to 607. So instead of proving 587 as incorrect, prove 607 as correct, or if it is impossible, find the error or the missing information the watchtower should have added. Lets say that everyone here is correct, and that we should add some months adding up to 1 or 2 or 3 years, or if we should add 4 or 5 because nebopolassar didnt want to reign with anyone at the same time (not even if that someone reigned over another kingdom), or if we should add nebukadnesars years of illnes (Even though the insight says those years are included in the 43 years), or if we should add 10 years because nabonid went on a trip, or add 15 years because nebonid started building a temple in his seccond year (But ofcorse the building of that temple could take nabonid 15 years, so we dont have to adjust anything). Then what years do we get?
here they are: 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 594, 596, 597 and 602….
It never adds up to 607.
So instead of proving 587 as incorrect, prove 607 as correct, or if it is impossible, find the error or the missing information the watchtower should have added.

]]> By: Doug Mason http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-140 Doug Mason Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:54:01 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-140 Shawn, I'm not quite with you. It is the WTS that wants the earlier date of 607, whereas I and others agree that Jerusalem was destroyed 20 years later, in 587 BCE. The Bible does not give BCE dates. If science and archaeology are wrong, then the BCE date that is taken from science and archaeology by the WTS in not reliable. I have drawn a picture that shows the WTS's "Bible Chronology". You will find it at: http://www.jwstudies.com/WTS_Bible_Chronology.doc Doug Shawn,

I’m not quite with you. It is the WTS that wants the earlier date of 607, whereas I and others agree that Jerusalem was destroyed 20 years later, in 587 BCE.

The Bible does not give BCE dates. If science and archaeology are wrong, then the BCE date that is taken from science and archaeology by the WTS in not reliable.

I have drawn a picture that shows the WTS’s “Bible Chronology”. You will find it at: http://www.jwstudies.com/WTS_Bible_Chronology.doc

Doug

]]> By: shawnbriangregory http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-138 shawnbriangregory Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:19:52 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-138 The argument for an earlier date is pointless. The Society, and others, fix the 607 date as fact because its the only possible date, using the Bible prophecy as the only guideline, as I understand it, ( there are severl sites online Ive found addressing this). This would make perfect sense to a JW, or any person who trusted the Scriptures more than science and archealogy, which is your only choice if you believe the word of God is the Bible. They are awaiting further proof that the date is correct( 607), as they did in many other seemingly contradictory historical references. There is no reason to therefore pay any attention to those saying the date is incorrect. The argument for an earlier date is pointless. The Society, and others, fix the 607 date as fact because its the only possible date, using the Bible prophecy as the only guideline, as I understand it, ( there are severl sites online Ive found addressing this).
This would make perfect sense to a JW, or any person who trusted the Scriptures more than science and archealogy, which is your only choice if you believe the word of God is the Bible.
They are awaiting further proof that the date is correct( 607), as they did in many other seemingly contradictory historical references. There is no reason to therefore pay any attention to those saying the date is incorrect.

]]> By: Doug Mason http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-132 Doug Mason Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:22:07 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-132 Jon Thomas, You are absolutely on the ball! These numbers have no significance except to JWs. God did not provide these numbers nor did Scripture anywhere place any significance on them. These ideas, and those of other prophetic speculators such as the SDAs and the Dispensationalists, are a hangover from the 19th century. As Claudia indicates, these numbers are of value to show JWs they are being lied to by their leadership. That's their value. Doug Jon Thomas,

You are absolutely on the ball! These numbers have no significance except to JWs. God did not provide these numbers nor did Scripture anywhere place any significance on them. These ideas, and those of other prophetic speculators such as the SDAs and the Dispensationalists, are a hangover from the 19th century.

As Claudia indicates, these numbers are of value to show JWs they are being lied to by their leadership. That’s their value.

Doug

]]> By: claudia http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-129 claudia Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:43:45 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-129 Well, if it matters, Doug is right. JW's are just really stubborn people. If Jehovah says the sky is green, then the sky is green. I can provide as much evidence and fact as i can muster, and i can look up and clearly see that the sky is blue, but a JW will ALWAYS argue, to the death, on the side of the green sky, no matter how apparent and clear the fallacy is. Well, if it matters, Doug is right. JW’s are just really stubborn people. If Jehovah says the sky is green, then the sky is green. I can provide as much evidence and fact as i can muster, and i can look up and clearly see that the sky is blue, but a JW will ALWAYS argue, to the death, on the side of the green sky, no matter how apparent and clear the fallacy is.

]]> By: Jon Thomas Witkowski http://jwrecovery.org/2009/09/did-jerusalem-fall-in-607-b-c-e/comment-page-1/#comment-122 Jon Thomas Witkowski Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:39:24 +0000 http://jwrecovery.org/?p=442#comment-122 Shoe gazing! Open your eyes... these numbers these ancient names have no power no matter how you arrange them; except that, that you give to them. Why scour the ashes of a failed God in a search for meaning that He could not provide when whole. Shoe gazing! Open your eyes… these numbers these ancient names have no power no matter how you arrange them; except that, that you give to them. Why scour the ashes of a failed God in a search for meaning that He could not provide when whole.

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