Most people would agree that the word “cult” is loaded and controversial. The joke is: A cult is any group that doesn’t agree with my particular group’s views. The reality is no cult member ever believes that they are involved in a cult. That revelation only becomes apparent after the member leaves the group and reflects upon his or her experiences with a more balanced 20/20 clarity.
There are also many definitions for the word “cult”; therefore, my opinion of what constitutes a cult is based upon collective definitions provided by cult experts worldwide:
Any authoritarian group that uses thought reform, coercive persuasion, deception and fear to manipulate and control its members.
Brenda Lee is the author of the book Out of the Cocoon — A Young Woman’s Courageous Fight from the Grip of a Religious Cult
Today I teach counter-cult education in Denver, Colo., and I always tell people that it’s far more important to recognize the contents of something rather than relying upon a label. You can take a label off a can of beans and slap on a peach label, but you still have beans inside. So, if a person objects to the label “cult” because he or she feels it’s derogatory, an objective look at the contents will help the person better understand what they are dealing with. The label “cult” isn’t that important. It would be like an abused girlfriend arguing with police after she has been beaten that she objects to the terminology “battered wife” — semantics.
Now, back to the original question: Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult? First, I’d like to acknowledge that Jehovah’s Witnesses are people with lives and loved ones, just like you and I. They are not merely a label. I know — I used to be one, and I resented when someone called me a “Jehovah”. Once I left the group and did a lot of research on thought reform and mind control, however, I realized that Jehovah’s Witnesses are being psychologically held hostage within a cult, a cult created in the late 1800s by a single man, Charles Taze Russell. (Russell dubbed his followers the International Bible Students, who later became known as Jehovah’s Witnesses, currently run by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in New York.) The invisible chains that bound me as a former Jehovah’s Witness were quite real from the ages of nine until 18. I pull no punches in my book, Out of the Cocoon, when I describe the abuse I experienced as a result of my family’s association with this group. For me and millions of others who have left the organization, living as a Jehovah Witness was a highly toxic existence, one that could have easily ended my life.
What typifies a toxic organization or cult’s leadership and structure? A good working understanding has been provided by cult expert Dr. Margaret Singer, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley: “In most cases, there is one person, typically the founder at the top. … Decision making centers in him or her.”
Illustrating the structure, Singer says, “Imagine an inverted T. The leader is alone at the top and the followers are all at the bottom.” There is little if
any accountability and “the overriding philosophy … is that the ends justify the means, a view that allows [such groups] to establish their own brand of morality, outside normal society bounds.”
Jehovah’s Witnesses will dismiss Singer’s definition citing that their organization is run by a group of men; therefore, the dynamic of a single cult leader does not apply to them. But hold on! The Watch Tower organization is controlled by the Governing Body. Note that the term “body” is singular and there is a reason for that. The leadership acts as one voice, directing the lives of millions, just like a single cult leader. There is no accountability (no higher appeal process) and no room for dissention or differing policies within the Governing Body, as Ray Franz, a former Governing Body member who wrote Crisis of Conscience, can attest. Coincidentally, Franz was excommunicated in 1980, the same month and year that I left the group.
What specifically would define a group as unsafe or toxic? Unsafe or toxic groups or “cults” typically abuse and exploit their members. Their toxicity bubbles up and surfaces as depletion of members’ finances, demand for free physical labor, child abuse and neglect, medical neglect, sexual abuse and/or psychological, intellectual (i.e., limited critical thinking skills) and emotional ruin. Cults are a danger to us as a society.
To the average person, the Watch Tower organization appears benign, but it uses crippling fear to control its members, operating under authoritarian control, with the threat of excommunication and shunning (Franz and I have been shunned by our families and the Jehovah Witness community for the last 29 years). In addition, the religious leaders typically have no accredited pastoral or theological schooling and the members are taught that the directions of God are received by a select few in New York and to disagree with them is to challenge God himself. Questioning what is taught, even if it involves the sexual abuse of a child, can be grounds for excommunication and shunning.
The Watch Tower runs, at a minimum, a multi-million-dollar tax-free international corporation utilizing a free sales force and governs nearly every aspec
t of its 7,000,000 members’ lives. The long-reaching impact of association with them is felt not only by those who subscribe to their teachings but also by extended family members who never attempt to join its ranks. An example of the latter remains vivid in my mind, even today. I remember when my mother sat me down at age nine and told me I could never speak to our relatives again because “Satan might be using them to keep us from learning the truth.” Our disassociation with them clearly impacted their lives, as well as our own, even though they never became Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Here’s what some other experts say about Jehovah’s Witnesses as a cult:
Comprehending Cults: The Sociology of New Religious Movements by Dr. Lorne Dawson, professor of religious studies. In referencing the failed 1975 Armageddon prediction by the leadership, Dawson writes: “The responses of the leadership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to the failure of their 1975 prophecy and the response of the leader of the Ichigen no Miya were similar. … By a rather bizarre turn of logic, the leaders in each of these cases chose to place their followers in a kind of ‘Catch-22′ by blaming them, after the fact, for having brought on the failure of prophecy by having believed it too literally in the first place.” (p. 172)
The Kingdom of the Cults, Chapter 4: Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, by Walter Martin. Martin (deceased) held fou
r earned degrees, having received his doctorate from California Coast University in the field of comparative religions. Author of a dozen books, he was nationally knows as the “Bible Answer Man”, host of a popular syndicated radio call-in program which was heard across the country. He was founder and director of the Christian Research Institute, located in Irvine, Calif. On page 11 of his book, Martin quotes Dr. Charles Branden, emeritus professor at Northwestern University: “By the term cult I mean nothing derogatory to any group so classified. A cult, as I define it, is any religious group which differs significantly in some one or more respects as to belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative expressions of religion in our total culture. … A cult might also be defined as a group of people gathered about a specific person or person’s misinterpretation of the Bible. For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses are, for the most part, followers of the interpretations of Charles T. Russell and J. F. Rutherford.” After listing other American religions that he considers cults, he comments, “From a theological viewpoint, the cults contain many major deviations from historic Christianity. Yet paradoxically, they continue to insist that they are entitled to be classified as Christians.”
When Cultists Ask by Norman L. Geisler (PhD, Loyola University of Chicago). Geisler is president of Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, N.C. He has published countless articles in academic journals and is the author of more than fifty books. His book includes Jehovah’s Witnesses as a cult.
About the time the members adopted their new name, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Time magazine printed an article called, “California Cults”, dated March 31, 1930, wherein they discuss the Watch Tower’s then-president, “Judge” Joseph Rutherford, and his lavish living arrangements during a time when the rest of the country was experiencing a great depression.
In a cult, it’s easy to get in and hard to get out without feeling the residual effects of a lifetime of damage. Cults, insidious and methodical, seemingly inject a poison into the member that dissolves away the person that friends and family once knew.
Fortunately, it’s never too late to leave a toxic organization and get healthy. There are hundreds of recovery websites on the Internet for “survivors” of cults. Many of these are listed in the links section of my website, and I personally answer every e-mail I receive to ensure that people receive the help and resources they need. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or need assistance finding your way out of the cocoon.
For more information, visit Brenda Lee’s website, www.outofthecocoon.net.
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September 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Very good read. I have JW relatives who have been desfellowshiped and are being shunned by JW family. In our family’s case
However, I feel I should clarify something. Charles Taze Russell is NOT the creator of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The JWs were created by Judge Joseph Rutherford (a renegade Bible Student). The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society bears no resemblance to what Russell founded. Unlike the JWs the Bible Students do not practice shunning and in fact Russell wrote against it.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I think Brenda Lee made the point that Russell did not create Jehovah’s Witnesses when she wrote, “Jehovah’s Witnesses are being psychologically held hostage within a cult, a cult created in the late 1800s by a single man, Charles Taze Russell. (Russell dubbed his followers the International Bible Students, who later became known as Jehovah’s Witnesses, currently run by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in New York.)”
September 30th, 2009 at 3:25 am
Perhaps I did misunderstand Brenda Lee’s point in that respect, but I do disagree that a cult was created by Charles Russell. The cult (if by cult we mean a high control group) was not created by Russell who was an advocate of congragational self-rule. The creation of the cult was “judge” Rutherford’s doing. It was the judge who made the WT the central authority for all the congregations and set the stage for the present abuses. Until the Rutherford made himself the president the IBSA and the Watchtower Bible and Tract were merely legal entities.
And …Thanks to the judge, there was a mass exodus of Bible Students who formed their own independent groups in the 20’s, many of which still exist today. (And many of them do disagree with some of Russell’s teachings)
October 9th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Only one piece of advice, is it possible to have properly researched, historically accurate articles that are objective? The above is a highly emotive and subjectively written article, that will just re inforce the JW mindset that “apostates” are a bunch of angry misguided misfits.
Russell openly welcomed criticism and disagreement , forbidding that any one be sanctioned and he welcomed open debate , in his work ” The New Creation ” a book I highly recommend anyone who is associated with the Witnesses and others interested in the history of the Bible Students movement to read with an open mind, he condemns the use of disfellowshipping as a tool to silence or control fellow christians. Bible Students recognise Russell as a fellow brother , a man like any other – imperfect and sinful and in need of the same grace as every other man or woman that has ever lived, he not revered or worshipped as some claim, however any personwho honestly reads his writting will realise that he had great insight when it came to the Scriptures. I will also add I am not a JW or a Bible Student , but I recognise the vast differnce between the two groups !
February 11th, 2010 at 5:49 am
No, they are not a cult! David Koresh and his branch davidians was a cult!
Witnesses are not put in harms way or asked to do anything that is physically/ or mentally harmful.
As a disfellowshipped member i respect their choice not to associate with me as “bad association spoils useful habits.
Everyone is born with free will, and the choice to be a JW is their choice.
Having direction and seeking a better way life is your choice.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
howdy
i’m a dissociate j who but still married to a women who was born a j who & will never changed. We raised three children one is a j who {bapstive} the other two are not thank god. I was pre 1975 althought the year was not the spectic end of time it was to be around that time. the generatation living in 1914 {old enough to know what was going on would see the end} I’m not allow to famliy function{ my Bro& sis mother ,father are J who’s only because i choose to disagee with there teaching’s Never I try to change anyone veiw point. Have even defended the J who’s have they were mis represented. But when you are not allow to have a different view point or even voice coment of doubt with out fear of being disfellowship that a cult folks peace worm
April 6th, 2010 at 5:05 am
“…not put in harms way or asked to do anything that is physically/ or mentally harmful…” Yeah OK,, so you say.
I was working in a room, listening to a small group of people speaking to oneanother. Although I was an outsider, they wasn’t aware I was listening to them at first.
All they seemed to talk about was bad things they have heard that happened recently in the newspapers, about bad things that had happened to them, and about injustice generally. They were talking as though their lives were constant pain and suffering and it seemed they were desiring to be rescued, maybe win the lottery or something.
When I moved closer to them I actually said something to the group to change the subject away from the depressing things, and for a while the conversation was more balanced. But not for long, the conversation went back to the bad things again. I changed the subject again (actually twice) to more balanced conversation, and again the group reverted back, then I gave up and left them to it, they seemed ‘happy’ that way.
I later learned that these are of the same mindset that discourage their children from wanting higher education and to better themselves in their Life. I hear they do this using their church mass (like Neuromberg, germany), by a creepy kind of scare story-telling of ‘how university is demonic’ and ‘everyone takes drugs and has group sex’.
So the children don’t get to live a proper childhood (i.e. Micheal Jackson), they don’t look forward to making anything of themselves, they don’t celebrate the joys of our life that god gave us. All they do is go round spreading negativity, mis-trust, paranoia (all with a smiling face on, as a Front because the ‘image’ of their church is more important than anything else). These are the people that regard “independent thinking as being the work of the devil”.
All they have to look forward to is a ‘hope’ that they will survive the 3rd world war, while having a feeling of never quite measuring up, so they feel they have to recruit more members into this watchtower church.
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May 18th, 2010 at 9:34 am
You’ve written an important & informative article Brenda!
There exist other abusive groups that are very similar to the JW’s, one of
which I was a part of for almost 2 decades.
The MO’s of these groups are so similiar.
IMHO, I think FEAR is the major controlling factor.
Love this website & all the best to you.
May 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
“Witnesses are not put in harms way or asked to do anything that is physically/ or mentally harmful.”
Hundreds died for need of an organ transplant and children suffered from not recieving crucial vaccines before the WT changed their minds about that doctrine. So sad to play with people’s lives like that.
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July 11th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Before we were married my wife was not all that religious. After 9/11 she became enamored of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and became deeply involved in it. She keeps trying to persuade me but I am immune to doctrination,because I can see what is going on. She drinks the kool-aid willingly and I cannot argue against it. That only causes her to dig her heels in deeper. Now she is busy converting her sister,who has an addictive personality.Her sister went through a lot of troubles with drugs and alcohol. I am scientifically literate which helps me identify the lies these people tell. I want so badly to change what is happening with my wife, but I haven’t a clue how to stop this. Because of this we will probably continue to grow apart and eventually split up. I do not relish the day that it happens.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Robert Sloan,
I am a former JW and the only way i got out was to talk to someone who had left. JW’s are not allowed to talk to ex JW’s in fear they will open their eyes. If you seek help in your area I am sure you will find an EX JW who is willing to help. If the JW’s try to discourage your wife have her inquire why it would hurt to talk to an ex JW if they clain to have “the truth” as JW’s call it. JW’s even have a book called “Why is it wise to examine your religion”. It’s for conversion purposes but if you turn it around on them, what could they say? They could probably say alot because that’s what they do best. My advice is to encourage her to really check it out before getting in too deep.
Good Luck, Sally Smith
August 17th, 2010 at 2:09 am
Dear Robert Sloan,
I hope you don’t have any under aged children. There are JW divorce stories. The JW believer will have UNLIMITED access to JW lawyers. The elders even have a Watchtower Tract Society “HOW TO” publication on child custody and divorce. In fairness, please read the JW website- http://www.watchtower.org/e/19971208/article_03.htm The publication I mentioned above is titled “Preparing for Child Custody Cases” which directs the JW parent to “lie”. The JW’s believe that courts are Satanic thus the court is not “entitled to know the truth”. This is called “justified lying” since they all believe all others except Jehovah’s Witnesses are under the control of Satan.
However, many courts have found for the non JW parents for one reason, the church “educates” (brainwashes) the child into believing the non JW parent is of Satan and that the parent will die and the child will die if they have a relationship “after 18 years of age” with the non JW parent. Most courts hate this and find for the non JW parent.
My father went through this. It was his second marriage, she was a JW and he was a disfellowshipped JW. They were married for a year and a half, the divorce lasted five years, we lost everything. Just when my stepmother thought she was going to loose, “someone” suggested the molestation card. She, and the church, accused me, my three other siblings and my dad. They were horrible (satanic) accusations. She said we were “spooning canned dog food up our 2 year old sister’s vagina then letting the family dog eat it out of her.” I am still getting mental health treatment for this, I am now 47.
Later on it came out that she was a chronic alcoholic and was later disfellowshipped for “gossiping, spreading lies and causing great discontent and ill will”. My dad says to this day she has tried other congregations and they are all happy when she leaves: “we couldn’t wait to get rid of her”.
Good luck on trying to get a copy of the book, the JW’s have successfully blocked access to it, even on wikileaks and freeminds.org.
August 29th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Dear Brenda,
I am sorry to hear of your experiences as a child regarding associating with your family. I was raised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I was never at any time refused relationships with unbelieving family members. I have enjoyed close relationships with aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins, etc., all of my life.
I think that everyone has different stories to tell. Our upbringings all vary because it still depends on our imperfect PARENTS to raise us.
I was friends with other boys and girls in the organization growing up whose parents were extreme, i.e., not letting them listen to “worldy music or watching any movie that wasn’t rated G.” That is pretty extreme. My parents made sure that I was highly educated because no one knows when Armageddon is coming; and frankly, you need to make money to survive in this world, period. They felt that exposure to culture, theater, music, dance, language, religion of all sorts, and debate was neccesary to create a well-rounded individual. I am currently a court reporter and I am completely emotionally supported 100 percent by my parents who have been Jehovah’s Witnesses for the last 35 years. They are the most wonderful people I know.
I used to ask my mother why there were such differences in my upbringing and my friends, why some parents were so strict, and why people in the organization still did bad things when they knew the “truth.”
Her response to me was, “Jehovah’s organization is perfect; the people in it are not.”
I believe that sums it up. No matter what the teaching, you will still have people who lie, cheat, steal, gossip, and end up damaging their children and relationships.
August 29th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
To Robert Sloan:
Sounds like a pretty hateful, vile, disgusting person your father was married to.
I am a court reporter and recently had to take the deposition in a custody battle of a mother with five disabled children. She decided to represent herself and as a result had to cross-examine her own child with muscular dystrophy. She ripped him a new one to put it mildly. The things she talked about in front of her boys and the awful scenarios she accused their father of sound very similar to your story. I was HORRIFIED that any parent could act that way toward their child.
I left that job feeling so grateful that I had Witness parents who would NEVER put each other, let alone their children, through such torture. If my parents were ever to divorce, I know without a doubt that they would never go through with proceedings that would require the cross-examination of their own flesh and blood.
I am sorry that you had such a tramatic and revolting experience with this woman. It is a tragedy that she was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses because what a repulsive image that must have created for you and your loved ones.
Please know that all Witneeses are not like that. In fact, very few are. It sounds like she was pretty mentally disturbed. I hope that you and your family can recover from this and that you try not to let it bias you, although it will be difficult for sure.
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November 18th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I was brought up as a JW, so was my sister, I was babtised at 14, disfellowed at 17. My Mother has walked past me in the street and I hadn’t seen my sister for nearly 30 years, I saw her just before she died of cancer aged 58, what a sad regligion this is to keep families apart,what a compleat waste of a lifetime. They haven’t had the pleasure of seeing my children. I have since learned that this religion asked for ‘interest free’ loans and my mother and sister have both ‘loaned’ them money, my mother £1000 and my sister £2000, this was just before her death from cancer and I understand that after they died, the ‘loan’ then becomes a ‘gift’ and they never have to repay the money! I would like to see the balance sheets for this ‘charity’ to see just where this money goes
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January 12th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
I haven’t read all of the posts on this site. I don’t need to. I have been a JW for 16 years. I will be very blunt here.
Now, I am not addressing the EX-JW’s. You all know why you are!
I have read all sorts of very VERY deceitful post full of lies!! Jehovah’s Witnesses are not a cult. There is no mind control. No brain washing. Nothing!
No one is told what to believe. In fact, I was always told to never take anything at face value. (research it my self) that I have always done.
Non JW’s make the mistake of listening to misguided people who don’t have the facts. Or they listen to the lies of the EX JW’s. (And you all know it is!!)
Now if Jesus said they would have us because of his name…..well what religion is hated the most? – is called a cult ect…?
Pay attention!!
Enough Said!
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April 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I just have one clear Qualification , About The jehovah witnesses Religion
Because if People would Look Very Close In The Bible ( King James version )
Its very Clear That The Watchtower Organzation Holds These poor People away from Jesus The Christ . One is Because The Watchtower Claims To be The governing body
While The Bible is very clear That it is jesus Christ himself and Not Them , Two The Watchtower Teached These Loving Jehovah witnesses That They dont can,t Take Any blood Transfusion , While The Bible is very clear That God Have made us all Out of One blood Its in The Book of Acts Of The KJV , Second thing is The blood Eating have only To Do with The Sacrifice Of Animals And That All The Blood must go out of it if you would Read The Whole Chapter of The Bible , Because With Out Even Knowing it What These Snakes Vipers of The Watchtower Are doing to These jw,s ` Is infact Baal worship Moloch , if You would look deeper in The Old Testimony So with out even Knowing it Jehovah witnesses Follow a Foreign God
who They Call Jehovah , While infact They Sacrifice Themselves so They Follow Infact Satan with out even Knowing This , The Proof is in The Bible in The King james version , Because Charlez Taze Russels Was a High Ranking Freemason and what are These People They are The ones who control The High Arcy of The Watchtower Organization , There God is The Grand Architecture of The Universe
whom They Call Lucifer !!!!!!!!!! otherwise These Poor Jehovah witnesses have Not Sacrficed themselves , So Who Are The watchtower who Are calling Them selves The governing body while infact it is Jesus and Not Them , Do You KNow what For teaching This What The Watchtower Claims That They Are The ( Governing body )
Antichrist !!!!!!!!!!!!! The Bible is all The proof you need !!!!!!!!!!
For no man can come by The father Then by me says Jesus i am The Bread of Life The living waters the fountain of life Take my yoke upon you and learn of me for i am meek and low in heart for my yoke is easy for if ye Realy Love me Ye obey my Commandments for The greatests of all is Love !!!!!!!!!! Is The watchtower Teaching this Not at all They Claim That they Are The Governingbody
While it is Jesus he is The cornerstone !!!!!!!!!!! So The Watchtower is a Antichrist Dogma and a Very dangereous Cult WAKE UP !!!!!!!!! and go read your Bible not The New world Translation of The watchtower But The ( KJV ) King james version or The ( ESV ) , English Standard version
Hope all of you who Are reading this Take my Advice ?
Godbless in The Name of Lords and king of all kings YESUAH EL MESSIACH
Greetings From The netherlands
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my dad was abusive to me and my mum when i was little , they eventually split up , he lied to the elders and made my mum to be a lier , and they took his side , being a minister. ( the same one who was an alcoholic and took all my mums money – that was forgotten!) i have never heard from my dads family again bercause they still live as jw’s and i do believe they are good people ,however this is the world they believe and feel safe in and i dont feel bad really about that.
i was sent to a catholic primary school and secondary school (as they were local) and they were genuinely wonderful schools for disipiline and lovley teachers and pupils. my mum still wouldnt let me join in with birthdays or any school things like mass but i do feel more like a catholic even tho im neither. and it only struck me recently that i wasnt either on speaking with my mum , even though i was i suppose ”made” to act as a JW because im not baptised in not actually one and therefore dont really count as either
this botherd me as i do believe in god.
i dont mean to be offensive but to be fair , you get terrible people in every religion and good ones too who believe in the good and are good gentle people.like most witnesses. i wouldnt class this as a cult personally. theres less sort of protocol than even catholic religion ( ie baptism , confirmation etc) i feel things are kept very simple , from their lives , to even inside the halls. which makes this acessible to all really. But then ive not fully studied , this is just my opinion , im sure someone will disagree or whatever!
for me going forward , ive though about becoming a catholic. my 98 year old gran ( mums’ mum) let slip that when i was a baby , she hated the thought of me not getting into heaven so baptised me in her bedroom with some holy water from the chapel , she kept it a secret from my mum , which is pretty hilarious for all these years! a part of me would like to do this to make her happy before she passes away as shes old but who knows. its a lot to think about and my views have been moulded from a young age i suppose this must have some effect.
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